Curse

glacialphoenix · Jan 16, 2010, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Orry

I know it is understandable, that's why I chose it as a reference, although it is fun killing him out in the lava and have them all amazed whe it works.

TBH I didn't even realise it until you mentioned it, and I just helped my boyfriend get his ranger through Hell's today! *facepalm

I think I'm just too used to seeing the Lich die on the Bloodstone.

Personally, if people were more easy-going about stuff I think there'd be less complaining. There will always be bad experiences, but someone screaming in everyone else's face doesn't do anything to make people want to group with you. I consider this pretty understandable for the elite areas, especially if they're likely to take a long time and/or cost the people in the party something (consets, whatever), but if you're talking - say, today's ZMission, Gates of Kryta? Relax. It's a game.

That being said, I never do anything serious with a PUG. I wouldn't play my Survivor with a PUG, nor would I attempt to clear elite areas with one. In short, I don't PUG unless I'm prepared and, in a sense, willing - to fail.

ValaOfTheFens · Jan 17, 2010, 04:42 AM // 04:42

It depends on what you're doing.

Hate: I wanted to do Villainy but no one in ToA was doing it so I went to LA to get a party started. Getting 6 people was easy because I offered to run people to ToA for free if they did the quest with me. I'm not the best build maker but Avatar of Bathazar + Eternal Aura + skills to keep you alive is fine for running to ToA. There were two additional Dervs in the party and they wanted to race me. That was fine because as long as we got to ToA I didn't care. Their lack of decent builds caused them to die in each area and they constantly whined about me not waiting for them. >.< When they died in Cursed Lands I told them to just stay with the party in The Black Curtain and they got indignant. When we got to ToA one of them whispered me and told me I was a jerk and I'd made his wife(the other Derv lol) cry. We did Villainy sans the other Dervs and did rather well.

Love: All the parties I was in as MM in Tomb when HM was first introduced. ^_^

pumpkin pie · Jan 17, 2010, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by Risus

Well, I'd like to go ahead and say that this in no way is a QQ/rage thread about PUGs (save that for in game and vent

).

In this thread, please give a good example of a good or bad experience you've had with a PUG, or both. Please explain what area you were doing, what happened, how you felt, or just give an overall summary of the pugs you play with (like "they all are horrible" no offense to any pugs

). Also finish with the

for love em or

for hate em. (also it doesn't have to be as long as mine)

I'll go first. I was doing UW Dayway with a pug group (which is a bad idea to anyone who wants to do it, only go pug with a 50%+ guild group, in which case, don't fail or most will rage at you). We get to Dhuum, and the ele and his 2-3 friends decide that they were going to do their "AWESOME" 3-3 split strategy and EVERYONE spams 1 and ele will call in vale sins 1 at a time. Then, when the first text trigger came up, I see our emo in vale. Ok, not too bad, rest is 3/4 full. I get in. Dhuum has full HP. You can go ahead and imagine what I said on vent. So I have to pop a new cons because they only brought 2, and I we spend the next 20 minutes killing him, which wasn't too bad, except for a few people KEPT dying and I kept dropping res scrolls. Finally when we get the chest, I really look at my res scrolls. I went from 32 to 10. 22 scrolls used + a cons. Total value about 30k. Just to finish Dhuum. I get trash from chest of course, then they refuse to pay me ANYTHING for the cons except 1-2 nice guys who dropped 1k for me, but then some noob ran and took it. Overall,

(I know right? can't even answer my own question), I'm kind of split, seeing as we did finish with the PUG having 8 spirits (thought all 8 were on vent, we did have a slight advantage). However, the fact that they refused to compensate me for spending all that money to ensure they got a chest really got my blood boiling. I'm going to have to lean towards

though seeing as how many PUGs have failed to understand that all they have to do is press T123456C*SPACE*.

Lesson, do not use anything that cost you gold unless you get an upfront payment for it. Not in game, not in real life!

this is a vicious circle. lol, you help with what you have, players do not appreciate, creating an untrustful playing environment, where everything involves gold, and if players do not pay upfront, you/or I probably leave the team, which would create another thread about pugs - love or hate them.

fenix · Jan 17, 2010, 07:31 AM // 07:31

PUGs in HA;

Horrible. Bunch of shitty players who have huge egos and think they're superstars, but can't manage to win more than 3 times before failing to an even shittier gimmick team.

PUGs in GvG;

Hilarious and fun

Trip555 · Jan 17, 2010, 07:44 AM // 07:44

PUGs are ok for the majority of the game.
Doing Deep or Urgoz with them in HM is no problem, as long as there are not to many noobs in it.

For the hardest content in the game, Foundry of Fail and Underworld, it gets tricky.
You have to discriminate a lot of Classes, for example Derwish.
You have to tell a Ranger that only Splinter Barrage works.
You have to tell a Warrior that his tanking is not good enough, unless he becomes a bonded Obby tank.
The story goes on....

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Originally Posted by Risus

I'll go first. I was doing UW Dayway with a pug group (which is a bad idea to anyone who wants to do it, only go pug with a 50%+ guild group, in which case, don't fail or most will rage at you). We get to Dhuum, and the ele and his 2-3 friends decide that they were going to do their "AWESOME" 3-3 split strategy and EVERYONE spams 1 and ele will call in vale sins 1 at a time. Then, when the first text trigger came up, I see our emo in vale. Ok, not too bad, rest is 3/4 full. I get in. Dhuum has full HP. You can go ahead and imagine what I said on vent. So I have to pop a new cons because they only brought 2, and I we spend the next 20 minutes killing him, which wasn't too bad, except for a few people KEPT dying and I kept dropping res scrolls. Finally when we get the chest, I really look at my res scrolls. I went from 32 to 10. 22 scrolls used + a cons. Total value about 30k. Just to finish Dhuum. I get trash from chest of course, then they refuse to pay me ANYTHING for the cons except 1-2 nice guys who dropped 1k for me, but then some noob ran and took it. Overall,

(I know right? can't even answer my own question), I'm kind of split, seeing as we did finish with the PUG having 8 spirits (thought all 8 were on vent, we did have a slight advantage). However, the fact that they refused to compensate me for spending all that money to ensure they got a chest really got my blood boiling. I'm going to have to lean towards

though seeing as how many PUGs have failed to understand that all they have to do is press T123456C*SPACE*.

Many farmers are quick to blame, greedy and usually pretty aggressive.
If you want a bad experience go with a Farmer PUG.

On top of that, did anyone see the screens where they first introduced Dayway?
They didnt just use Consets, but pretty much every buff there is.

Considering the high failrate of Mobway with an UA Monk, I still think that Dayway (without an UA Monk)is the perfect failway for PUGs and should never have been posted.

Also as time goes by, you will learn that Chests give you Trash most of the time.
It's not worth spending 30k to get there.

Anime Divine · Jan 17, 2010, 08:19 AM // 08:19

love: sometimes only sometimes its the only way to make new friends. i made a few gwamm friends this way. now they retired but the point is when i became friends with them we could just steamroll every place in gw.

and pugs can be fun too:P. yesterday i tried to pug Frostmaw HM. leader says oh we got a perma coming. my first tought was uhoh. he died quite a few times. but for once it didnt frustrate me as much. the fun part was the leader telling how good the perma was. and still he kept dieing XD. luckily FOR THEM!! i was playing an imbagon so we finished frostmaw in a decent time

Hate: UW dayway uw mobway WE.
im not noob but everyone always have a high chance rate of screwing up. so therefore i think its like 90% fail for me .
in fow i encounter fewer noobs mayby cos its super easy to learn.

Jetdoc · Jan 17, 2010, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Love them. I don't play the game with heroes or henchmen unless it's required by the mission or quest, and it's an absolute blast.

**cosyfiep** · Jan 17, 2010, 10:27 AM // 10:27

as a member of a tiny guild (that I cant leave---hubby wont let me).....I do lots of pug-ing for HM zmissions.....only have had a few total failures, most of them were so funny they made my day (never laughed so hard....)....so 9/10 are passable.

End · Jan 17, 2010, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

as a member of a tiny guild (that I cant leave---hubby wont let me).....I do lots of pug-ing for HM zmissions.....only have had a few total failures, most of them were so funny they made my day (never laughed so hard....)....so 9/10 are passable.

yeah the only recent time I puged was for a zmission...

they failed... I would love to pug I love (attempting) to make new freinds...I just would also like to get stuff done...

gremlin · Jan 17, 2010, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

No, PUGs destroyed themselves.

- run bad builds
- refuse to optimize and min/max, for two reasons
- - one, they think their build is actually good due to mentalities imprinted from games like WoW or even their fellow PUGgers
- - two, they're doing a "roleplaying" or "flavour" based build, which is always bad, especially since this is not an RPG
- immature attitude and communication
- class discrimination
- - and also title rank discrimination in much of PvP (HA, GvG) and some types of PvE (Ursan)
- being inherently less convenient than H/H
- - taking breaks is more difficult
- - important real-life surprises even more so
- - plus my tendency to tab to Firefox or TF2 and forget I was playing GW
- requiring drastically more setup time than H/H
- being annoying
- - particularly the e-peen strokers
- - and the /b/tards
- and also a matter of principal, whereby we intentionally sabotage PUGs after we witnessed their hateful (and successful) attempts to dissuade Anet from making seven hero parties
- - typically done by overaggroing at dangerous points or during a near wipe recovery, or when playing a key role in the party, neglecting that role

Much of what you say is true, its a combination of things that have lead to the present state.
Many of those who have the most experience in the game are no longer playing the missions they have moved on.

There are quite a few players around who have a distorted view of the game and how to play it effectively.

Point is if you treat a new player in a rude manner treat them like an idiot demand they play the game your way they will learn from it and they will become the kind of player you don't want to play with.

Treat someone reasonably play with them and if they ask what's going wrong or how they might do better then advise them.
Its not the god given right of any player to force people to conform to their way of playing.
Bad build good build it doesn't usually matter running off alone, drawing mobs onto the party and pulling the plug if you die a couple of times is far far worse than any bad build could possibly be.

pvp and elite pve areas are where good builds and good party cooperation are essential.

Lodar Aric · Jan 17, 2010, 11:04 AM // 11:04

I take the pug option whenever i can, if unable to i'll bring heroes. Of course you run the risk when you pug of failing a mission or whatever you are setting out to do, but there is something satisfying when a group of people who don't know each other, come together, work as a team and get the job done.

RTSFirebat · Jan 17, 2010, 11:36 AM // 11:36

I don't love them, I don't hate them, I just miss them! This game has become one big single player game with the odd human interaction.

ican the farmer · Jan 17, 2010, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I hate pugs new to my way of playing the game allways thats why i do h/h or ally bec we have played togheter in my alliance for an long time and know eachother pretty good

awry · Jan 18, 2010, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Lesson, do not use anything that cost you gold unless you get an upfront payment for it. Not in game, not in real life!

this is a vicious circle. lol, you help with what you have, players do not appreciate, creating an untrustful playing environment, where everything involves gold, and if players do not pay upfront, you/or I probably leave the team, which would create another thread about pugs - love or hate them.

What you just said reminded me of a fond memory i had when I was doing the gate of madness mission for the first time on my derv. Seeing as how this mission seems to be one of the few where pugs are necessary, I tried to get into a group but not many people wanted dervs and after getting tired of failing with henchmen I decided to form a random pug by myself. I somehow ended up with a 5 human derv party and the whole mission was hilarious. We died so many times but I would hand out candy to everyone every few fights to people for free because i wanted to finish the mission badly. At the end when we finished the missions, everyone in my team praised me and kept trying to trade me gold for the candy I gave them. Sure the team didn't know what to do, nobody but me seems to have read about the mission on the wiki and we might have ran sub optimal builds (every derv on the team killed by shiro within 3 seconds), but that was the most fun i've had playing guild wars in a long time.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 18, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Point is if you treat a new player in a rude manner treat them like an idiot demand they play the game your way they will learn from it and they will become the kind of player you don't want to play with.

I don't play with new players. I play hard mode, meaning with people who have already completed the game at least once. They usually have elite armour, too.

lishi · Jan 18, 2010, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Trip555

PUGs are ok for the majority of the game.
Doing Deep or Urgoz with them in HM is no problem, as long as there are not to many noobs in it.

For the hardest content in the game, Foundry of Fail and Underworld, it gets tricky.
You have to discriminate a lot of Classes, for example Derwish.
You have to tell a Ranger that only Splinter Barrage works.
You have to tell a Warrior that his tanking is not good enough, unless he becomes a bonded Obby tank.
The story goes on....

Many farmers are quick to blame, greedy and usually pretty aggressive.
If you want a bad experience go with a Farmer PUG.

On top of that, did anyone see the screens where they first introduced Dayway?
They didnt just use Consets, but pretty much every buff there is.

Considering the high failrate of Mobway with an UA Monk, I still think that Dayway (without an UA Monk)is the perfect failway for PUGs and should never have been posted.

Also as time goes by, you will learn that Chests give you Trash most of the time.
It's not worth spending 30k to get there.

Once the group made to dhuum and the ele is not bad (and by not bad i mean, he remember to recast ether renew every 30 second) the build is foolprof.

No one ever drop under 75%. And if the rit is good(and again, by good i mean he cast PI when dhuum cast judgement) by the time the rest bar is full dhuum is aready under 25%.

Apparently pug EMO and rit cannot even manage to do those 2 simple thing tho

Risus · Jan 18, 2010, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I don't play with new players. I play hard mode, meaning with people who have already completed the game at least once. They usually have elite armour, too.

Armor is no judgement of skill. I do FoWSC and consistantly see warriors with FoW armor, chaos gloves, torm shield and obby edge that are idiots and can't even spike a ball and then blame me, the MT, when they can't spike within 5 secs of the other guy and the ball scatters.

YunSooJin · Jan 18, 2010, 02:59 AM // 02:59

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO pugs in the ass

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 18, 2010, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Risus

Armor is no judgement of skill.

My point exactly.

The wealthiest players in GW, anyways, are power traders, and of dubious ability at the game itself.

Darth The Xx · Jan 18, 2010, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by Highlander Of Alba

This is really a two edge sword.

I when on one of my other accounts will take a few newer guys along on a mission or whatever.

Reason is, how will they ever learn...They will get some guidence along the way during and point out if there crossing the line ect.

Why do I do this? Lets look at it this way.

How good were You when you started ?? Oh yea you could clear everything.... bull***.

You are a long term player who knows what to do and what build to play.

So next time your out there give a thought and think a little /

What did I do wrong when I was a new player and add a litttle help if you think they need it.

Yes Some think they are a Ninja or rush to agro what they can see they only do that cause they have not been given a little help along the way

Obviously everyone started out as a noob, nobody can claim otherwise however noobs arn't necessarily bad. I know when I was new and someone said orison and breeze were trash skills because skills X Y and Z were superior I listened, and improved. It is mind boggling to see people running around in FoW armour and running some trash Wammo build.

There are the crappy pugs who listen which is fine. Then there are the crappy ones who don't which will just drag your team down.